Soul Calibur IV and its apprentice

onerous

Commented on 2008-06-06 17:45:20

Hate SW, no need for it in a SC game ;/

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GriftGFX

Commented on 2008-06-06 17:47:34

Love SW, no need for it in a SC game :)

If Yoda is really on my box art, I'm gonna be a little annoyed.

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Kudgel

Commented on 2008-06-06 17:49:03 In reply to GriftGFX

Posted by GriftGFX

Love SW, no need for it in a SC game :)

If Yoda is really on my box art, I'm gonna be a little annoyed.

I could see it, probably like Smash added Sonic on its cover.

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LEBATO

Commented on 2008-06-06 17:56:53

I don't see anything WRONG with it, as long as they keep the gameplay equal with all characters, I don't see the problem.

Now that apprentice is kind of like a cheap character no? Like, there's nothing cool about him, looks like a bum actually.

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chewbacaattack

Commented on 2008-06-06 17:59:58

LAME. It has no place in soul calibur, and makes absolutely no sense.

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Burglarize

Commented on 2008-06-06 18:01:54

How much did someone pay for this to happen?

At least his character looks good, this game is impressive to say the least.

It seems funny that even though they're adding more characters (which would normally only improve something) all the fans seem to be getting more and more annoyed that SC is straying from it's former titles. It's almost like people complaining about titles that go multiplatform.

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Tinks

Commented on 2008-06-06 18:03:07

I'm assuming including this character was among the price they had to pay to have Yoda and Vader in their games

This is a shameful plug for Force Unleashed if I have ever seen one

I can't deny the fact this trailer is pretty epic though

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Dunpeal

Commented on 2008-06-06 18:04:48

Nice

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broman

Commented on 2008-06-06 18:05:07

I find it a little sad how Namco has to increase the boob size and add in characters from popular franchises just to move copies of the latest game. How about revolutionizing the genre instead? I'm sure that'll move copies as well, even though it's a little harder to do ;)

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alimokrane

Commented on 2008-06-06 18:19:42 In reply to GriftGFX

Posted by GriftGFX

If Yoda is really on my box art, I'm gonna be a little annoyed.

Oh it will be. The point of them introducing star wars characters is for the game to sell, everything that has Star Wars written over it sells in America ..... so you can bet all you own on Yoda making the cover.

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Sinisterskull

Commented on 2008-06-06 18:26:39 In reply to chewbacaattack

Posted by chewbacaattack

LAME. It has no place in soul calibur, and makes absolutely no sense.

While lizardman and spawn/link made perfect sense? It's a fighting game, not Masterpiece Theater.

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WinterSnowblind

Commented on 2008-06-06 18:34:30

This guy is far better than any of the new anime characters they've been adding. But still, perhaps they should just make a new Star Wars fighting game? They've taking the bonus characters way too far.

At least he should have a more interesting fighting style than Vader.

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bombastico

Commented on 2008-06-06 18:46:16

honestly i dont give a s*** who they add, and may it be Chuck Norris, if the characters are fun to play and well balanced :)

So, gimme Star Wars, Gimme Star Trek, gimme Conan, Gimme Mario, what the heck, it still will be fun to bash them :)

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Jigen

Commented on 2008-06-06 19:31:18

I'll bet Lucasarts gave them the rights to use Darth and Yoda if they used the TFU guy as well. Cross-developer tieins are all the rage these days : Smash Bros, Mario & Sonic Olympics, MGS4, Assassin's Creed...

That said, I have no problems with the Star Wars characters at all. Since when is adding features a minus for gamers (idiots)?

SGimme Star Trek, gimme Conan

Fuck yea! Captain Picard versus the governor of California.

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GriftGFX

Commented on 2008-06-06 19:54:39

Yoda is a "feature?"

LOL

I can think of plenty of features that detract from the overall direction or quality of several franchises, anyway. I don't particularly care for RPG elements in my FPS. I think the create-a-fighter mode from SC3 is gimmicky nonsense. Oh my, I must be a fool!

I think people are mostly put off by the marketing. A lot of Soul Calibur fans would rather talk about Soul Calibur, and learn about the few (as in, Hilde) real new characters, and new game mechanics, instead of having the entire franchises popularly be completely hinged on such a pointless gimmick.

Mind you, I think Link and Spawn were pointless "features" too.

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Corellianrogue

Commented on 2008-06-06 20:00:50 In reply to Jigen

Posted by Jigen

I'll bet Lucasarts gave them the rights to use Darth and Yoda if they used the TFU guy as well. Cross-developer tieins are all the rage these days : Smash Bros, Mario & Sonic Olympics, MGS4, Assassin's Creed...

That said, I have no problems with the Star Wars characters at all. Since when is adding features a minus for gamers (idiots)?

SGimme Star Trek, gimme Conan

Fuck yea! Captain Picard versus the governor of California.

Exactly! And the Sonic & Mario Olympics idea is far worse than this. The Star Wars characters in SC4 are just bonus characters whereas in the Olympics game the different characters competing against each other is the whole point of the game which is ridiculous because, in a short race at least, Sonic should have reached the finish line by the time Mario had left his mark, lol!

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Tinks

Commented on 2008-06-06 20:06:02

Maybe we should all accept the DC universe in Mortal Kombat then too

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GriftGFX

Commented on 2008-06-06 20:06:59 In reply to Tinks

Posted by Tinks

Maybe we should all accept the DC universe in Mortal Kombat then too

..it makes more sense than this!

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Jigen

Commented on 2008-06-06 20:09:40 In reply to GriftGFX

Posted by GriftGFX

Yoda is a "feature?"

LOL

I can think of plenty of features that detract from the overall direction or quality of several franchises, anyway. I don't particularly care for RPG elements in my FPS. I think the create-a-fighter mode from SC3 is gimmicky nonsense. Oh my, I must be a fool!

I think people are mostly put off by the marketing. A lot of Soul Calibur fans would rather talk about Soul Calibur, and learn about the few (as in, Hilde) real new characters, and new game mechanics, instead of having the entire franchises popularly be completely hinged on such a pointless gimmick.

Mind you, I think Link and Spawn were pointless "features" too.

Well then enjoy spoiling every single game release for yourself. You are a fool for not only judging this game before it's released, but complaining when they add features you can choose to ignore if you wish to. You cannot make the comparison you did to changing core gameplay elements. This is like being upset at Lego Indy for having an unlockable Han Solo.

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[quote=GriftGFX]Yoda is a "feature?"

LOL

I can think of plenty of features that detract from the overall direction or quality of several franchises, anyway. I don't particularly care for RPG elements in my FPS. I think the create-a-fighter mode from SC3 is gimmicky nonsense. Oh my, I must be a fool!

I think people are mostly put off by the marketing. A lot of Soul Calibur fans would rather talk about Soul Calibur, and learn about the few (as in, Hilde) real new characters, and new game mechanics, instead of having the entire franchises popularly be completely hinged on such a pointless gimmick.

Mind you, I think Link and Spawn were pointless "features" too.[/quote]

Well then enjoy spoiling every single game release for yourself.  You are a fool for not only judging this game before it's released, but complaining when they add features you can choose to ignore if you wish to.  You cannot make the comparison you did to changing core gameplay elements.  This is like being upset at Lego Indy for having an unlockable Han Solo.

KahL

Commented on 2008-06-06 20:12:01 In reply to bombastico

Posted by bombastico

honestly i dont give a s*** who they add, and may it be Chuck Norris, if the characters are fun to play and well balanced :)

So, gimme Star Wars, Gimme Star Trek, gimme Conan, Gimme Mario, what the heck, it still will be fun to bash them :)

Dude, if they did that. It start to feel more like SSB.

Personally, I don't mind bonus characters (it adds variety.) but SC does seem to get less original with every new character they add that doesn't relate to the game. It was fine in SCII but its gone too far in SC4.

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GriftGFX

Commented on 2008-06-06 20:15:37 In reply to Jigen

Posted by Jigen

Well then enjoy spoiling every single game release for yourself. You are a fool for not only judging this game before it's released, but complaining when they add features you can choose to ignore if you wish to. You cannot make the comparison you did to changing core gameplay elements. This is like being upset at Lego Indy for having an unlockable Han Solo.

Who said anything about judging the game? I loved Soul Calibur 2, but Link and Spawn were pointless distractions that existed simply to add marketing value to the title. Likewise, we're getting more gimmicks here, and instead of building the hype for SC4 around the games actual merits, they're building it around the hope that they can attract a specific audience that may or may not actually care about the game itself.

And this being a versus title, with online play, I honestly doubt I'll be able to simply ignore all of the fluff characters that they're adding to the mix. Do you think there's going to be some sort of "pure" filter in the XBL/PSN support for Soul Calibur 4 that disables the ever growing handful of extra, BS characters? There certainly wasn't in DOA4, for example--but at least there we didn't have to fight The Pope and Hitler in between bouts of random marketing bullshit.

Once upon a time, Namco took this franchise seriously.

Personally, I don't mind bonus characters (it adds variety.) but SC does seem to get less original with every new character they add that doesn't relate to the game. It was fine in SCII but its gone too far in SC4.

Shh.. stop being so foolish! (/sarcasm)

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[quote=Jigen]

Well then enjoy spoiling every single game release for yourself.  You are a fool for not only judging this game before it's released, but complaining when they add features you can choose to ignore if you wish to.  You cannot make the comparison you did to changing core gameplay elements.  This is like being upset at Lego Indy for having an unlockable Han Solo.[/quote]

Who said anything about judging the game? I loved Soul Calibur 2, but Link and Spawn were pointless distractions that existed simply to add marketing value to the title. Likewise, we're getting more gimmicks here, and instead of building the hype for SC4 around the games actual merits, they're building it around the hope that they can attract a specific audience that may or may not actually care about the game itself.

And this being a versus title, with online play, I honestly doubt I'll be able to simply [i]ignore[/i] all of the fluff characters that they're adding to the mix. Do you think there's going to be some sort of "pure" filter in the XBL/PSN support for Soul Calibur 4 that disables the ever growing handful of extra, BS characters? There certainly wasn't in DOA4, for example--but at least there we didn't have to fight The Pope and Hitler in between bouts of random marketing bullshit.

Once upon a time, Namco took this franchise seriously.

[quote]Personally, I don't mind bonus characters (it adds variety.) but SC does seem to get less original with every new character they add that doesn't relate to the game. It was fine in SCII but its gone too far in SC4.[/quote]

Shh.. stop being so foolish! (/sarcasm)

Jigen

Commented on 2008-06-06 20:19:38 In reply to GriftGFX

Posted by GriftGFX

Who said anything about judging the game? I loved Soul Calibur 2, but Link and Spawn were pointless distractions that existed simply to add marketing value to the title. Likewise, we're getting more gimmicks here, and instead of building the hype for SC4 around the games actual merits, they're building it around the hope that they can attract a specific audience that may or may not actually care about the game itself.

And this being a versus title, with online play, I honestly doubt I'll be able to simply ignore all of the fluff characters that they're adding to the mix. I honestly doubt there's going to be some sort of "pure" filter in the XBL/PSN support for Soul Calibur 4 that disables the ever growing handful of extra, BS characters.

It's just marketing. Marketing shouldn't bother you, just the content of the game.

All fighting games need filters, I'll give you that. You shouldn't be able to use Tengu online in DOA4 for example (even though he isn't THAT unbalanced). You should be able to disable whatever characters you want, as well as changing damage and time limit and all that standard stuff. Hopefully they'll add that.

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[quote=GriftGFX]Who said anything about judging the game? I loved Soul Calibur 2, but Link and Spawn were pointless distractions that existed simply to add marketing value to the title. Likewise, we're getting more gimmicks here, and instead of building the hype for SC4 around the games actual merits, they're building it around the hope that they can attract a specific audience that may or may not actually care about the game itself.

And this being a versus title, with online play, I honestly doubt I'll be able to simply ignore all of the fluff characters that they're adding to the mix. I honestly doubt there's going to be some sort of "pure" filter in the XBL/PSN support for Soul Calibur 4 that disables the ever growing handful of extra, BS characters.[/quote]

It's just marketing.  Marketing shouldn't bother you, just the content of the game.

All fighting games need filters, I'll give you that.  You shouldn't be able to use Tengu online in DOA4 for example (even though he isn't THAT unbalanced).  You should be able to disable whatever characters you want, as well as changing damage and time limit and all that standard stuff.  Hopefully they'll add that.

GriftGFX

Commented on 2008-06-06 20:21:02

Why shouldn't marketing bother me when it actually becomes part of the game itself? People complain about in-game advertising all the freaking time. This is in game advertising at its worst.

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WinterSnowblind

Commented on 2008-06-06 20:22:53 In reply to Tinks

Posted by Tinks

Maybe we should all accept the DC universe in Mortal Kombat then too

I have no problems with making a Mortal kombat/DC spin off. The problem is we've been promised a true next gen MK sequel for years, announcing a cross over was pretty disappointing for a lot of fans, especially considering it isn't even just a spin off game, but a true continuation of the MK series.

But I don't really understand why the non fans are making such a fuss over the cross over.

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Jigen

Commented on 2008-06-06 20:26:31 In reply to GriftGFX

Posted by GriftGFX

Why shouldn't marketing bother me when it actually becomes part of the game itself? People complain about in-game advertising all the freaking time. This is in game advertising at its worst.

No, this is ingame advertising at its BEST. The worst would be flashing billboards for AXE in all the areans.

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