It looks good in shots but after seeing that video it suddenly dawned on me how little this series has evolved. It's still worth at least a rental though

Yeah, nothing looks too different than Tomb Raider Anniversary other than probably better gfx, more acrobatic moves or whatever, and new storyline and levels obviously. I did like the ability to aim at more than one target at a time, I guess that's new enough to enjoy I guess. Can't really say much about it till I play it of course. It could be really great.

Well I have to say it looks better in motion than I gave it credit for in the screenshots. The animation looks smooth, if a bot cartoony. The combat looks mindless, it would be nice to see them make combat a bigger part of the experience, much less than the puzzles/platforming but right now I don't even see a point in the combat.

Yeah you pretty summed up all the stuff a sequel to a game needs to have to be a better game. *sigh*

Ontopic: Wow much better than I expected. I'm sold.

Tell me know this doesnt look better than uncharted!!! WOW! Amazing ... they tweaked the animation so much it's looking like a totally different game and the lighting .... amazing ...... Really cant wait for this.

Uncharted's animation is still better in my opinion, so far at least(when I say that I mean more fluid individually, TR looks to chain them together a bit better, not without some jerkiness though) . Graphics wise they are just different, Uncharted went for a vibrant look, TR is going for a real look.

Oh and Uncharted's textures are MUCH better, many of the textures so far looked stretched. Like I said earlier though it looks great right now, especially for a multiplat.

Well having seen both in motion, I still think Tomb Raider looks better but like you said TR is going for more realism and that's perhaps why I think it's better but I think comparing the two on technical merits gives the edge to Tomb Raider still.

Anyway, it doesnt matter, I am just so happy, this is looking so good :D

So lush! Go baby.

Uncharted... go boy, RUN!!!. Yhea you do that, cry to your momma you little looser dude raider.

Graphics are gorgeous. The mid section of that level looked tedious as hell though despite only lasting a minute or two.

And the combat scene with the tigers was a mess. Think that may have been down to the person playing not using the camera however.

Saying that, still at the top of my shopping list :)

Is it just me or is the battle camera completely broken? It constantly centers and zooms in on Lara, not on the tigers attacking her.

EDIT: Nevermind, its not worth fighting. Have fun with TR :)!


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I believe the guy playing wasnt just adjusting the camera. Legend and Anniversary have been camera-trouble-free so I see no reason why this one should have problems.

Let's hope they'll get some time to fix it then. Anyway, the game looks and feel very good.

I think the improvements are quite obvious and pretty significant in driving the TR franchise forward, I absolutely love the environments, they are much more detailed than TR Legends, and the new animation system is pretty cool too, they're small things but adds a whole lot of the immersion, like in the beginning of the video where she brushes past the foliage and moves it out the way with her arms - it's just great.

If I offended you please accept my appologies, that wasnt my intention :)
Fair enough, if you do think there are problems with the camera then I most certainly take your word for it. Let's hope it gets ironed out. Like you said, if it's a problem during combat, I couldnt care less, combat isnt the highlight of tomb raider for me .... if they take it all down, I wouldnt mind at all - Have only bosses in the game and be done with it.

Now this video clearly shows that it's not technical on par with Uncharted.

Vegetations are poping up, they not moving from the wind, in Uncharted they even change the momvments like the winds is changing, character animations are worser and so are the textures and not to mention the lightning which is way better in Uncharted.

I always liked TR games and im excited about thisone but it makes me a bit angry when people say this looks better then Uncharted, Uncharted is technical far superior but this new TR looks anyway damn nice, the only thing i really dislike is the auto aim, that's way too easy :(

Keep the meltdowns coming...

TRU Kick ass! Its very pretty! But I still think that Uncharted look better.

Hurry up November! :)

Lighting makes or breaks a game graphically this gen, and this game has some fantastic lighting, and in the right places. Very atmospheric. I like how solid and organic the jungle looks. One of the main things about what I remember of the original TR on the PSX was obviously not just the graphics, but the atmosphere of the game. If this game recaptures that feel, then it won't matter how dated the game play mechanics may feel. The whole point of TR was discovery and the claustrophobic tension.

game looks the same as what we've been playing the last 10 years. time to move on lara, me thinks.

Yeah because all other games in this particular genre have taken off already! *sigh*

Before you move on to Prince of persia, YES it was a huge step forward and that happened with Sands of Time but since then it's been the same thing and even the new one hitting the the market later this year looks more of the same - which is NO PROBLEM at all for me but I simply hate the fact that Tomb Raider gets all the slacking off! Same thing applies to Uncharted.

Crystal Dynamics has done a brilliant job resurrecting the franchise after Angel of Darkness and have managed to make the best remake of an original game ever with Anniversary but above all, has made waiting for a new Tomb Raider an exciting experience. Based on that, I think the franchise is still very much alive and with the focus on story and Lara's character through the legend myth, I think Lara will be with us for a very long time and I *really* cant wait.

angel of darkness is the first tomb raider since the first game that has moved the series in a different direction. a fresh take on an old...OLD idea. but ultimately it failed to deliver. so instead of making a better game they just took a few steps back to what we'd seen before in tomb raider 1. the series hasnt evolved successfully in its entire lifetime. and even with this game, its yet to do it. its just more of the same. even the combat looks just as rediculous as it did before. jump flips while shooting??? we where doing that in tomb raider 1 FFS... its still all lock on based and its still completely skill-less.

legend and anniversary where good games (btw, anniversary is far from the best remake we've seen) but nothing amazing, the series hasnt given me that "wow" feeling since the first 2 on the PSone. and you can see by the reviews that tomb raider just isnt as popular or as good as she used to be. she's old news. i admit legend and anniversary brought the series back up a little, but even then it wasnt getting reviews as possitive as the original tomb raider and its sequel. if they want that success again they need to do something with the franchise, instead of just repackaging the game and adding a couple new moves which is essentiallty what we've been given since day one.

theres no denying the game LOOKS nice...it does...but all that gameplay video proved to me personally was how little the series has moved on. its legend on a slightly bigger scale...and thats about it.

i hated how resi 4 changed the series so much, but in the case of lara croft. i prey for the day the developers make that level of change to the series. cos for me. it NEEDS it.