Betafield 4: Game of Next Year Edition

Tinks

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I'd rather the SP look terrible, than for the game to become even more console influenced than 3

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GriftGFX

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Posté par Tinks

I'd rather the SP look terrible, than for the game to become even more console influenced than 3

Didn't you like BC2 more? That's easily the most console-y Battlefield game ever. Easily. BF3 is one of the rare cases of a franchise actually getting deeper in relative terms to the game that preceded it.

So uh.. what a load of crap.

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Tinks

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Oh, let me specify I guess
More COD influenced.
I did like BC2 more than 3. That doesn't mean I didn't like 1942 and 2, better than BC2 3

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GriftGFX

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You've captured 2 flags in BF3. You barely even tried conquest. You don't know squat about BF3.

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Tinks

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So I'm wrong about it becoming more akin to COD?

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GriftGFX

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Posté par Tinks

So I'm wrong about it becoming more akin to COD?

Firstly, that's not what you originally said. And what you originally said is ridiculous considering your preference for the very console-centric Bad Company. Secondly.. yes. Mostly yes. There are shades of Call of Duty in Battlefield 3. But I'd say that mostly applies to Close Quarters. Which you haven't even played. And is actually very fun.

The "Call of Duty" influence you are citing is as much a "Bad Company" influence as anything.

Soo.. yeah. You don't know what you're talking about. You haven't played the game nearly enough to have formed much of an opinion about it. This isn't about stats, or playing for hundreds of hours. You barely touched the main game mode in BF3. You basically went straight to rush. And giving into its namesake, you rushed to judgement. Two flags? Seriously?

You don't know what BF3 is or isn't.

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GriftGFX

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And hey it's cool that you don't like it too. It must be difficult for a developer to really know what their audience wants anymore. I consider myself a pretty hardcore Battlefield fan. What I want differs from what you want. And don't even bother looking at Battlelog or the official forums. It's just noise. I don't know how you distill good and bad ideas from all of that noise. I don't think you can. You just have to make what you can/want and hope you find your audience.

I guess I'm a weird sort of fan who doesn't mind the fact that Battlefield 3 is its own game. They pushed the pace of combat a lot. I like it.

That said, I actually worry more about what they will change than what they won't at this point. When I think of how you could make Battlefield 3 better, I don't immediately go to Battlefield 2 or any other game. The way to make Battlefield 3 better is to take what works in BF3 and improve upon it, while cutting the stuff out that doesn't. Looking back isn't going to do that. It may result in depth, but what BF3 actually needs right now is a little more focus.

I think Demize is a great designer at times, but he has made some questionable choices. The downloadable content team for BF3 also did some really great stuff. I do hope the BF4 team is still in touch with BF3.

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And hey it's cool that you don't like it too. It must be difficult for a developer to really know what their audience wants anymore. I consider myself a pretty hardcore Battlefield fan. What I want differs from what you want. And don't even bother looking at Battlelog or the official forums. It's just noise. I don't know how you distill good and bad ideas from all of that noise. I don't think you can. You just have to make what you can/want and hope you find your audience.

I guess I'm a weird sort of fan who doesn't mind the fact that Battlefield 3 is its own game. They pushed the pace of combat a lot. I like it.

That said, I actually worry more about what they will change than what they won't at this point. When I think of how you could make Battlefield 3 better, I don't immediately go to Battlefield 2 or any other game. The way to make Battlefield 3 better is to take what works in BF3 and improve upon it, while cutting the stuff out that doesn't. Looking back isn't going to do that. It may result in depth, but what BF3 actually needs right now is a little more focus.

I think Demize is a great designer at times, but he has made some questionable choices. The downloadable content team for BF3 also did some really great stuff. I do hope the BF4 team is still in touch with BF3.

GriftGFX

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I could rant more and for longer about Battlefield and Call of Duty than Optimus could dream of doing in a Halo thread. I won't though.

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Optimusv2

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Posté par GriftGFX

I could rant more and for longer about Battlefield and Call of Duty than Optimus could dream of doing in a Halo thread. I won't though.

Hah! Crawl before you walk. :)

No one can obsess like I can!

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

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Optimusv2

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Next Mass Effect is on this engine, too. That's exciting.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Phaethon360

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Next Mass Effect and Dragon Age games. Both need more than an engine to be fixed.

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BLackHawkodst

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Why the Mass Effect triolgy was brilliant?. DA on the other hand??.

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Optimusv2

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Yea, Mass Effect is fantastic. Back off :P

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Phaethon360

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Shepard was a character that I got to play for 120hrs over the course of three games, and they undid him in three minutes. He fought every opponent he went up against, and then they put us in a scenario where our only option was to make him give up. He literally fought the Reapers up until the end.

Between Star Wars, Mass Effect and Dragon Age, BioWare's recent mistakes have been so great the creators Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk bowed out of the entire industry. They don't even want that mess no more.

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ManThatYouFear

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With Phaethon here..
They butchered Mass Effect.

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BLackHawkodst

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No they left after selling out for the $$, Mass Effect was Brilliant, i cant wait for the next chapter running on next gen consoles, bring it!!

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Project_Night

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Looks impressive, really good.

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GriftGFX

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Posté par BLackHawkodst

No they left after selling out for the $$, Mass Effect was Brilliant, i cant wait for the next chapter running on next gen consoles, bring it!!

You have to be pretty delusional if you think they retired from their positions at Bioware because they were selling out. The selling out bit happened when they sold Bioware to EA in the first place.

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sanex

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Sitting on all that cash for so long was hurting there asses, so they decided to go spend it and do something else :D.

I liked all the Mass Effect games, and anticipate the next chapter.

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Optimusv2

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http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/28/ps4-xbox-720-final...

Speaking with CVG, Bach said, “I don’t know if anyone has the next-gen hardware to be honest – really. There are versions of it, but does anyone have the final hardware? Do we really know what the final hardware will be?

“There are specs and alpha hardware, but nobody knows exactly what it will be. The only thing I can say about what we’re building is that we’ve set the bar with what we can do and we can scale it down to 360 and PS3.”

Bach added that the Battlefield 4 trailer released at GDC isn’t to be taken at face value, and doesn’t reflect the final game’s standards, ” What you saw is pre-alpha – it’s not the final game or anything. We are lacking a lot of optimisation. Without going into detail about what it could look like on a lower spec machine or a higher spec machine, we will have the scalability to bring the most out of any piece of hardware”.

Instead, Bach advised fans to view the video as a target of what DICE want Battlefield 4 to look like running on your rig of choice. He added that of course, the studio needs to be realistic about what can be run on current hardware, and next-generation rigs as well.

Bach concluded, “We’ve seen visual targets that are pre-rendered or running on machines that are designed for showing off technology – this is the game. [Single-player producer] Tobias was playing the game in the Frostbite engine with the content that we’re using to build the game.”

Earlier this week Bach said that we’ve passed the point where Frostbite 3 visuals alone are impressive. Check out what he had to say here.

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[quote]Speaking with CVG, Bach said, “I don’t know if anyone has the next-gen hardware to be honest – really. There are versions of it, but does anyone have the final hardware? Do we really know what the final hardware will be?

“There are specs and alpha hardware, but nobody knows exactly what it will be. The only thing I can say about what we’re building is that we’ve set the bar with what we can do and we can scale it down to 360 and PS3.”

Bach added that the Battlefield 4 trailer released at GDC isn’t to be taken at face value, and doesn’t reflect the final game’s standards, ” What you saw is pre-alpha – it’s not the final game or anything. We are lacking a lot of optimisation. Without going into detail about what it could look like on a lower spec machine or a higher spec machine, we will have the scalability to bring the most out of any piece of hardware”.

Instead, Bach advised fans to view the video as a target of what DICE want Battlefield 4 to look like running on your rig of choice. He added that of course, the studio needs to be realistic about what can be run on current hardware, and next-generation rigs as well.

Bach concluded, “We’ve seen visual targets that are pre-rendered or running on machines that are designed for showing off technology – this is the game. [Single-player producer] Tobias was playing the game in the Frostbite engine with the content that we’re using to build the game.”

Earlier this week Bach said that we’ve passed the point where Frostbite 3 visuals alone are impressive. Check out what he had to say here.
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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

ManThatYouFear

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all i read was they dont have any idea of xbox 3 hardware op. i really do not think there going to make this year without a repeat of the dodgy hardware this gen.

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Optimusv2

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I just find it surprising that, of all possible things, he would say that. I suppose Microsoft is running a little late with final hardware, kinda like they did in the lead up to the 360 release. I'm assuming that he's mostly referring to the next xbox, but if he's also talking about the PS4, then that's pretty interesting also.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Optimusv2

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Dev post on beyond3d.

Originally Posted by ERP View Post
Probably not a poker game, probably just a reflection of the state of the silicon.
MS has traditionally been rather late providing real devkits, and they may not be doing large runs of early silicon for devkits rather keeping the distribution limited and resolving any bugs before distributing more broadly.
Typically publishers/devs pay for every revision of a devkit separately, so that could also be part of the issue.
If devkits aren't around in quantity in the June/July timeframe I'd worry about a 2013 launch, practically they would have to start QA for disks not long after that.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

BLackHawkodst

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Posté par GriftGFX

You have to be pretty delusional if you think they retired from their positions at Bioware because they were selling out. The selling out bit happened when they sold Bioware to EA in the first place.

Yeah I know they sold out before that, but saying they bowed out because they did not like Mass Effect 3 ending is bollocks to me, they just fell out of love with the industry, EA can do that to you.

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all i read was they dont have any idea of xbox 3 hardware op. i really do not think there going to make this year without a repeat of the dodgy hardware this gen.

Nope he is saying it about the ps4 as well, no final hardware specs given on both consoles.

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Optimusv2

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Microsoft and Sony still playing mental spy vs spy with eachother? :)

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

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