2010-04-04 10:35:30

Finally got around to changing the tank controls and it made all the difference.
I don't know why they wanted one trigger completely unused; it might affect some other vehicle later in the game which uses both triggers and the 'A' button.
If that's the case I guess I can change it again. Not an ideal situation but it's better than the alternative "Failed" mission.

edit
yep, it turns a normal vehicles acceleration into the "A" button.
damn.

2010-04-04 11:07:25

Wondering if anyone playing on the 360 has the bonus missions, where you play as a Marauder?
It comes with the PC version, but I've been waiting to start it until I finish the main story.

Would it spoil anything to go ahead and play it as a distraction, being how I just discovered the Badlands in the main game?

2010-04-04 14:03:37

Did you complete the EOS demolition mission yet Simon? I felt it was impossible first. I didn't even get the building to collapse in the 4 minute limit. Too bad there wasn't more demolition missions. Although some of the missions were really frustrating.

I haven't played the bonus mission yet so I have no idea if it would spoil anything. I'll probably wait and play it after I have completed the story mode.

Hmm strange that your controller won't work with the default settings. I have a 360 wired controller, default drivers and Win7 64bit and I have no problems at all. It says configuration = Xbox 360 controller in the settings menu. Only thing that I could imagine to cause problems are some custom drivers for the controller.

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2010-04-04 18:06:57 In reply to Isomac (2010-04-04 14:03:37)

Yeah I managed it eventually. It's funny because my initial idea of how to complete it proved to be the way I did eventually, I just had to be more attentive when doing so.

It's not a spoiler per se, but if you wanna figure it out yourself I'll tag it just in case

You need to make the "crown" of the building fall by taking out the bits it's attached to the top with. Just kinda "trace" the crown's structure to the points of attachment and remove those with the nano forge. It'll come "showering" down and strip the entire building entirely. If there are still bits left, just shave those off with the missiles.

As for that extra mission, "Demons of The Badlands", it is a spoiler for sure. I don't find the story particularly spectacular so I can't say it's the end of the world if you do spoil it or anything, but it makes more sense to play it after I think.

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2010-04-04 19:58:48

I just did it and almost with the same strategy. I just used rockets first. That building was huge my framerate dropped to slideshow when it crashed down.

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2010-04-04 20:09:36

Yeah, 360 framerate in that game is amazing really. It keeps steady in the face of absolutely mindblowing chaos. Their tech is really super impressive, and even more so when you consider what feeble performance Saints Row 1 and 2 showed.

But about the demolition challenges, I agree that they're a lot of fun, and while I think there's a good amount in there in terms of how it helps pad a game that isn't just about that stuff, I think they could easily put out a Portal type sub game/DLC based entirely around that part. It's such a powerful physics engine, and it is genuinely fun to kinda run around and gauge how to do something beforehand, then employ that strategy and have it all come together. Or, you know, fall apart. :D

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2010-04-04 23:38:54 In reply to SimonM7 (2010-04-04 20:09:36)

heheh but yeah I absolutely love the physics engine in this game. Wrecking crew mode is great fun. Too bad it doesn't have any walker units I think.

I hope they tweak driving for the next Red Faction game (which I read might be shown at E3 woot!).

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2010-04-05 00:01:26

Yeah, vehicles are all a bit of a bummer in the game, unfortunately. Especially with the desert like environment they could make buggies absolutely mind blowingly sexy if they put some work into it, but they all feel like refridgerators on shopping trolley wheels.

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2010-04-05 06:51:52 In reply to Isomac (2010-04-04 14:03:37)

was that for me?
I have no problem using the 360 wired controller at all, just some of the bindings are shared between different vehicles for different things, and changing one can screw things up for another.

"A" button was the default setting for firing tank rockets, which is terrible as that uses the same thumb for aiming.
Changing it to the right trigger also changed the other 4 wheel vehicles "primary fire" to RT (because they share that control slot), which used to be acceleration, which means I would have to go back in and change acceleration for normal vehicles to "A" which I don't want.
I'll either leave it alone, or change it depending on if I'm in a tank or whatever.

I don't know, maybe I could get used using "A" to accelerate the 4 wheelers, but it's not even analog :/

edit
or, maybe my default config did get messed up. In that case I suppose I could delete the config file so it resets... if that works in this game.

2010-04-06 18:28:41 In reply to PlumbDrumb (2010-04-05 06:51:52)

Yeah that was for you and did you try to reset the settings yet? I know the controls should work since my default controls work like this.
Tank: LS drive, RS aim and RT fire.
Vehicles: RT gas, LT brake, A fire.

New patch for the PC version: http://community.redfaction.com/forums/topic/7898
Nothing huge but nice to have an option to turn DX10 off.

I played a bit MP mode and it's actually quite fun but there is like no one playing the game. It took me around 20 minutes to find a game yesterday :/

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2010-04-07 06:58:38

Yeah, I tried resetting without any change.

Is there anyway I could talk you into taking a screenshot of your key bindings in-game?
I want to see if maybe there are some differences there.

If not that's cool.
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That patch sounds good enough to download, though I have some reservations about it as the last one didn't seem to fix the slow diagonal problem with analog sticks (like it was supposed to), mostly notable when doing Shotgun missions.
I was actually wondering if it got fully installed after cancelling the Raptr install part.

edit
DUDE! nevermind :D
I just loaded it up to figure out what was going on and it somehow fixed itself (the default controls I mean).

Ah, now I can play right.
I just yanked a tank by some idiot EDF soldier and it worked like a charm.

*PHEW*

About the patch, I hear people who run this game in DX9 get a ton of performance, only losing AO and Sunshafts, so that will be nice for certain areas in the game.

2010-04-08 07:21:53

That patch! I didn't even know I had the W7 speedup problem until I installed the new patch, everything is much slower now... more methodical and "realistic".
Now the vehicles don't feel so out of control and I can control an EDF property 'destruction run' better too.
No more dying before knowing where it's coming from.

Amazing difference.

DX9 mode doesn't affect my performance at all though, so I think I'll just stick with DX10 and its extra prettiness.

Crazy though, all this time I was playing in fast motion and didn't even know it (it's still playable at the old speed, but now I know what it's supposed to feel like and I prefer it)

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Really though, I'm surprised it took this long for the game to get to this point.
It shouldn't have even been released like it was.
These companies need to stop pawning off the PC version to some CrackerJack port house without any quality control.
It almost never turns out right, and it leaves [whoever did the port] discretion on whether the game gets patched.

I guess we got lucky this time. It's taken a while, but at least it got fixed :)
(can't say the same for most other console to pc ports)
Now, as long as this patch didn't screw anything else up, I think we're good, unless they want to be kind and optimize the game more :D (greedy)

2010-04-08 07:45:40

oh, and for PC users (Isomac), I was sick of seeing the beginning logo videos, so I went to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Red Faction Guerrilla\build\pc\cache" and renamed the following files with the ".OLD" extension:

legal_hd.bik

logo_thq_hd.bik

logo_volition_hd.bik

Now it just goes straight to the title screen; much better :)
I didn't have any problems patching with those file names altered but, if you do just change them back temporarily.

I guess the directory would be different if you aren't using the retail version.

2010-04-09 11:02:23 In reply to PlumbDrumb (2010-04-08 07:45:40)

Nice to hear you got it to work now.

Ah yes I think I'll do the same for the logo videos now :) thanks.

Sun shafts looks pretty nice on DX10. Especially when you destroy a building and see all those sun shafts move. The other effect is harder to see when you are actually playing the game :P

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2010-04-09 23:33:56

Hmm i got this on a steam Christmas deal... Played tutorial then stoped. Guess i need to give it a new try with all this good impressions in here :P

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2010-04-10 08:15:06

It's a great game, just be sure to patch it up if you're using Windows 7, heh.

2010-04-13 19:40:58

Back in Malmö, so it's time to get back on this. Two weeks really does you in in regards to where the hell you were even going in the game. :O

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2010-04-13 20:24:54

Luckily the map system is great at showing you what you still need to do.

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2010-04-13 21:23:41

Yeah, got into it pretty fast. Seems I'm coming up on the final stretch now, actually.

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2010-04-13 22:01:11

Aaaand finished it. Mars is free. Well mine is anyway, dunno about yours. :)

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2010-04-14 16:57:53

haha, that was quick.

I've been playing in little spurts, so I'm not even close to that far.
I'm a couple missions from liberating the Badlands still.

Did you start playing the downloadable stuff?

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2010-04-14 17:24:40 In reply to PlumbDrumb (2010-04-14 16:57:53)

Nope, I'll prolly return to that down the line. Conviction is out tomorrow so it was good timing that I finished this up now. I only play one "main" game at a time. I never get round to finishing games otherwise.

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2010-04-17 10:09:42

well, the way members of this site blow through games like it's crack, you'll probably be done with Conviction already.

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2010-04-17 12:22:00

Yeah, finished Conviction last night. I'm gonna replay it though, it's got one of those base mechanics that simply make it fun spending time with. Will prolly finish it a few times before I move on.

But yeah, games are coming out at a certain pace so if I don't finish games at a comparably speedy pace they'll stack up and the pile of unplayed stuff will eventually fall over and crush me. I don't RUSH through games though, each is given its due time for sure, it's just that when I start playing something I play that game only until it's done. I used to crack everything open when I got it and hop around games to the point where my playing them became really sloppy and unfocused, and I'd just end up with piles of unfinished games. It's worth so much more to me to be able to look back at a complete experience.

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2010-04-17 17:15:04

Oh yeah, I hear ya.

I still need a couple of games from different genres to freshen my mind though.
I'll usually have an FPS/TPS, some kind of racing game, and maybe an adventure or little indie game going.

I can't jump between three or four different FPS though, or I end up mixing the controls and missions in my head.
Like some mad scientist.

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