Forza Developer Pushing Xbox 360

NeoNemesis
NeoNemesis
Since 7288 Days
he old adage is that as a developer gets more familiar with a platform the better able it is to wring every last drop out of it. Forza developer Turn 10 is apparently doing that on what's believed to be Forza Motorsport 3. According to Turn 10 community manager Che Chou:

here's stuff being worked on here at Turn 10 that I simply can't talk about right now, but the progress we've made in the last six months has been absolutely incredible. The fact that we're working on our second game for Xbox 360 means our software architects have figured out ways to push the 360 in ways I didn't think were possible in terms of both visuals and performance. You'll pardon me if I sound a little excited, because, frankly, I'm frickin' psyched.

Just imagine how excited Chou will be on the next next Forza game. His head will pop!
http://kotaku.com/5023685/forza-developer-pushing-...

Hmm, should be interesting.
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szaromir
szaromir
Since 7333 Days
They'd better do push the machine this time around, as the last time they fell short with their own promises (60fps+motion blur+AAx4+12 cars).
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NeoNemesis
NeoNemesis
Since 7288 Days
Posted by szaromir
They'd better do push the machine this time around, as the last time they fell short with their own promises (60fps+motion blur+AAx4+12 cars).
I'm sure they learnt from their mistakes.
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 7547 Days
Yeah, Che, and when people point out your are a hyperbole whore you will call them haters, liars, and so forth.

Walk the Talk Turn 10.

Further, the market is starting to get crowded with competition so to be great you really, really need to be great. On the Sim front Pro Racer from SimBin and "crowd favorite" GT aren't going to be easy to best. Especially with the size issues (course, cars). A number of racers have really cranked up the graphical bar for racers as well (PGR4 was beautiful, GRiD looks great, GT5 makes good compromises, etc and so on).

FM1 was a great game. FM2 was more evolutionary and really missed their targets. They had some decent tech under the hood, but the art (especially lighting) needs to be totally rebalanced. Stuff like real grass and some FREAKING AF (totally unexcusable in a racing game... going into the gravel, which looks poor to begin with, looks even worse when you get the nasty blur filtering).

As an internal studio and flagship racer FM3 should set the bar and push the genre. Lets hope. Lets also hope they can be professionals this time around.
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 7698 Days
I don't believe that asshole Che, that fool said they were getting "pretty close" to the CGI video they first showed. Yeah right.

The game had horrible AA, AF, framerate problems, bad reflections, only 8 cars per track, flat lighting, exagerated HDR/Bloom, just 12 FREAKING tracks, crappy car models compared to other games at the time........man, what can I say. But hey, it ran at 60fps for the most part and had good physics. They accomplished 2 out of their 20 goals.
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Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 7459 Days
Oh no ... are we here again !!
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 7547 Days
Che started it. :P
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GriftGFX
Since 7576 Days
..again.
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NeoNemesis
NeoNemesis
Since 7288 Days
Well maybe they'll deliver this time. But if they don't Che should stfu.
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 7468 Days
Bah I wont care either way. I like the way forza 2 looks so if they give me something that looks even better then I'm that's a bonus.

I feel like I didn't make the most out of my forza 2 purchase. I didn't even touch online once... which is a shame, haven't customized many cars and don't have the talent to make a cool looking style for my car lol.

I am interested in seeing if they can do an even better job of tapping more of the 360's power this time around though. We better see something solid at E3 and not CG.
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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 7698 Days
Posted by NeoNemesis
Well maybe they'll deliver this time. But if they don't Che should stfu.
Yeah, if they don't Che would officially become the biggest idiot in the industry in my book (he's second right now).
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szaromir
szaromir
Since 7333 Days
Who's the first one?
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 7698 Days
Posted by szaromir
Who's the first one?
David Jaffe. He's just an arrogant bastard.
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 7468 Days
Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration to say that Che is the biggest idiot in the industry? There are quite a few more deserving of being in the top 5.

Che, technically, shouldn't even be in the top 20. All he's really guilty of is hyping his game and saying what the developers originally told him would be in the game. The stuff he said about Forza 2, weren't out of his own mouth, but what he was being told to say because it was what they had expected to achieve originally.
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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 7698 Days
Posted by Optimusv2
Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration to say that Che is the biggest idiot in the industry? There are quite a few more deserving of being in the top 5.

Che, technically, shouldn't even be in the top 20. All he's really guilty of is hyping his game and saying what the developers originally told him would be in the game. The stuff he said about Forza 2, weren't out of his own mouth, but what he was being told to say because it was what they had expected to achieve originally.
No to everything.

He said downright idiotic things throughout the development of Forza 2.
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szaromir
szaromir
Since 7333 Days
I always liked Che when he was in 1up and I thought he was the coolest guy on 1up show. I also think his comments on GAF on certain games can be valuable. Perhaps he sometimes behaved like a tool during FM2 promotion, but come on, he's far from being an idiot and there are way more stupid people in this industry (especially if you include game journalists).
Oh, and I love Jaffe. Very cool guy even if I disagree with him often.

Hopefully they'll show something Turn 10 related tomorrow on MS press conference.
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 7698 Days
Posted by szaromir
Hopefully they'll show something Turn 10 related tomorrow on MS press conference.
I hope so too, and I hope they change their attitude, as in the whole team/Microsoft. They have to set it up to truly impress and make a true sequel. There was also lots of hypocrisy, like how Greenawalt said that P2P(point to point) tracks didn't fit in with the Forza theme, like what the is that? Now there are big rumors that they are back and that there even is a drift mode included, if this comes to be true, then there's more hypocrisy.

Lots of extremely cheap damage control, and outright denials and this conformist attitude like when Greenawalt said that FM1 offered fully rendered interiors and he was quite happy with that (the result? FM2 = same interior), and so much other crap I just have bad memories of--let's not forget that any criticism made you a hater. The game as a whole had some terrible PR, and in great part thanks to "community manager" Che Chou. This guy even made announcements in NeoGaf rather than the official game's forums, how professional.

I think there are limits on where to take hype and how and where you say things, and how you manage the community as a whole. Back in the 1UP shows Che was a likable guy, but as soon as he changed roles he showed some ridiculous idiocy. Now, there are lots of great community managers he could learn from, for example Ben from Bizarre Creations, and Frankie from Bungie (he left now).



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newbielives
Since 7515 Days
Can I turn this thread into a Forza2 vs GT5p thread :P
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Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 7459 Days
Dev's should shut up and just make games, it seems to be the done thing now that dev's try to force their games on us, instead of letting us judge for ourselves.

Less PR please.
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Can I turn this thread into a Forza2 vs GT5p thread :P
Depends if you wana be baned ?
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 7698 Days
Posted by newbielives
Can I turn this thread into a Forza2 vs GT5p thread :P
Everyday that goes by there is less and less things to compare the games by.
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Jin187
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Since 7320 Days
Posted by Acert93
Further, the market is starting to get crowded with competition so to be great you really, really need to be great. On the Sim front Pro Racer from SimBin and "crowd favorite" GT aren't going to be easy to best. Especially with the size issues (course, cars). A number of racers have really cranked up the graphical bar for racers as well (PGR4 was beautiful, GRiD looks great, GT5 makes good compromises, etc and so on).
Forza 3 could just add more tracks and cars whilst leaving everything else eaxactly the same and it will still destoy every other racer out there.
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Bingham67
Since 7194 Days
Posted by LEBATO
I don't believe that asshole Che, that fool said they were getting "pretty close" to the CGI video they first showed. Yeah right.

The game had horrible AA, AF, framerate problems, bad reflections, only 8 cars per track, flat lighting, exagerated HDR/Bloom, just 12 FREAKING tracks, crappy car models compared to other games at the time........man, what can I say. But hey, it ran at 60fps for the most part and had good physics. They accomplished 2 out of their 20 goals.
Ye he said some stupid things but wouldnt be first PR guy to do so trying to get hype for game cant say i would like that job tbh seems your all false most of time.

He was brilliant in 1up know his decent guy to be fair though it was his first time in such job (i beleive) if can learn from his mistakes now we shall see.
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LEBATO
Since 7698 Days
Posted by Jin187
Forza 3 could just add more tracks and cars whilst leaving everything else eaxactly the same and it will still destoy every other racer out there.
I just love the conformist attitude. That is surely what we need, besides being your opinion of course.

Now, adding tracks would be making it a decent number rather than a crappy 12.
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 7468 Days
Rumor has it that Forza 3 will be on 3 discs.
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 7698 Days
Posted by Optimusv2
Rumor has it that Forza 3 will be on 3 discs.
I thought it was 2? Anyways, that's a rumor I don't even want to think about.
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