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jmd749

Since 464 Days

2008-08-29 16:25:40 Far Cry 2: Immersion

i really can't wait to get the pc version of this game, the original farcry for the pc was a great and underrated game, i hope this one lives up to it, so far so good, it looks quite promising.

droezelke

Since 255 Days

2008-08-29 17:31:22

I love this game. But we shouldn't compare it anymore to FarCry, because it's a completely different game and is developed by Ubisoft and not Crytek obviously. I would even prefer that the game has a different title, but that would be commercially a mistake. Already reserved my copy for PC.
As a response to jmd749: FarCry on PC was not underrated. It recieved very high scores at the time, and recieved various 'game of the year-awards'.

GriftGFX

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Since 1168 Days

2008-08-29 17:33:40

I know what he means though, like Crysis, it receives a lot of second hand hate despite being generally well received. People who haven't even played it like to harp on it for looking good. Apparently having good graphics turns a game into a tech demo.

Ichi

Since 86 Days

2008-08-29 19:12:03

Far Cry and Crysis weren't actually that amazing gameplaywise, and I think both were pretty overrated by reviewers. Both are pretty linear games (at least compared to this game and something like Oblivion), Crysis has pretty bad AI, and none of the gameplay elements in both games are in any way revolutionary.

This game at least claims to be attempting to do way more than either of those games do, and if it lives up to it, it will be worthy of praise.

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Since 1168 Days

2008-08-29 19:15:33

^^ See, there's a good example of what I'm talking about :)

alimokrane

Since 1098 Days

2008-08-29 19:57:30 In reply to GriftGFX (2008-08-29 19:15:33)

Posted by GriftGFX

^^ See, there's a good example of what I'm talking about :)

Oh I second that Grift. ;)

Anyway, I really cant wait for this.

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Ichi

Since 86 Days

2008-08-29 20:18:20 In reply to GriftGFX (2008-08-29 19:15:33)

Posted by GriftGFX

^^ See, there's a good example of what I'm talking about :)

First you bring up Crysis in a Far Cry 2 thread, then you accuse me of not having played the games (FC and Crysis). You are allowed to enjoy the game, but don't derail the conversation by accusing others of things they haven't done. Crysis was mediocre as a game, and Far Cry was just 'good', IMO. It's not even like Crysis has a lot of acclaim from users.

statix

Since 1530 Days

2008-08-29 20:31:56

I still believe Crysis just gets a lot of hype and acclaim from PC users because it's the one major exclusive on their platform (at the moment).

Isomac

Since 935 Days

2008-08-29 20:48:49

I think Crysis is bashed mostly because it's not on consoles :P Crysis getting good scores can't mean it is actually a great game?

Hmm about FC2 no idea if it's any good. Too bad there isn't going to be a demo... that makes me a bit worried.

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bleachedsmiles

Since 191 Days

2008-08-29 21:34:14

The first far cry was good..though it did go off abit at the end and became alot more of a generic fps.

This game from what i've read seems to be far cry in name alone...theres no continuation in the story, and there doesnt appear to be any mutants or experimentations going on.

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Since 1168 Days

2008-08-29 23:33:45 In reply to statix (2008-08-29 20:31:56)

Posted by Ichi

I didn't mean to imply that you hadn't played it, but I don't see what's wrong with talking about Crysis. It's the real sequel to Far Cry, after all. All I meant is that your post is a perfect example of the unfair criticism that both of these games receive. I mean really--linear? And then you compare it to a game from a different genre? Give me a break.

There's nothing revolutionary about a giant sandbox FPS? Show me someone else who had done anything remotely simular prior to Far Cry. What's really funny is that Ubi shows a few little features that may not even dramatically improve upon the gameplay of FC2 and people go crazy--OMG a compass--OMG you can set grass on fire!

Posted by statix

I still believe Crysis just gets a lot of hype and acclaim from PC users because it's the one major exclusive on their platform (at the moment).

And I still believe it receives a lot of hate because it's a major exclusive on the platform, and likewise, FC2 is receiving most of its love based on the merits of being a multiplatform title alone. People who stick to a single platform that isn't the PC are excited about having a potential "Crysis killer." That's about it.

bleachedsmiles

Since 191 Days

2008-08-29 23:47:42 In reply to GriftGFX (2008-08-29 23:33:45)

Posted by GriftGFX

I didn't mean to imply that you hadn't played it, but I don't see what's wrong with talking about Crysis. It's the real sequel to Far Cry, after all.

Heh...thats like saying Too Human is the real sequal to Eternal Darkness

SimonM7

Since 1191 Days

2008-08-29 23:52:04

Well, I haven't played Crysis at all but I did finish Far Cry on the PC. It was one of the main reasons (along with Doom 3, Hitman: Contracts and Half Life 2) that I upgraded my PC. I get that the hate gets to be a nuisance, and I totally get how frustrating it is when things get slammed by default because it's the hip thing to do. It's way too often that a general mindset is created and other people just jump on it.

Thing is though that I found Far Cry to pretty much just be big for the sake of being big. I guess this is generally what people refer to when they throw words like tech demo around. It never really capitalised enough on its own hugeness, and the whole "approach situations differently" was SO not delivered on *at all*. The problem, the way I see it, is that Crytek just aren't very good at making games. They took an established gameplay formula and just created the technology to support a rediculously huge room to stick it in.

Now, the reason I think Far Cry Instincts was a more accomplished game even with its castrated engine was that it took the philosophy that was supposed to fuel PC Far Cry and simply applied it in a more controlled environment. In instincts you actually could approach something entirely differently each time you respawned, because it was essentially a first person Splinter Cell that didn't make you feel bad as soon as you started firing a gun.

Whether this is something you (whomever is reading this) agree on is a little bit beside the point, because what I wanted to arrive at was this: Here are consoles (because PC always could) that enable a game world even bigger than that of Far Cry PC, and it is in the hands of people who actually know how to make compelling *games* no matter the scale. That's what makes this exciting. At least to me.

There is a lot of tension here because there's clearly some rivalry between console favourites Ubi Montreal and PC troopers Crytek.. but... really. Whatever.

Oh and out of the supposed tech demos, I enjoyed Doom 3 far more. Now there's a game unworthy of all the flak it's getting, and that was the lower rated game! Size matters eh?

On a somewhat related note I'm known to prefer a more functional, focused experience as opposed to big and sloppy. I prefer Mafia to the PS2 era GTAs aswell. Maybe that's what messed up FCPC for me.

Isomac

Since 935 Days

2008-08-29 23:55:50 In reply to bleachedsmiles (2008-08-29 23:47:42)

Okay. That's a good comparison... :/

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Since 1168 Days

2008-08-29 23:59:27 In reply to SimonM7 (2008-08-29 23:52:04)

Posted by bleachedsmiles

Heh...thats like saying Too Human is the real sequal to Eternal Darkness

Okay, not so much real sequel as spiritual successor.. which TH to ED is.. not.

Posted by SimonM7

There is a lot of tension here because there's clearly some rivalry between console favourites Ubi Montreal and PC troopers Crytek.. but... really. Whatever.

Ubi is a gaming sweatshop too, but at least Montreal is one of their more capable factories. Their studios are certainly capable of making some very fine games, but their work in this genre (and to a lesser extent, third person shooters) leaves a lot to be desired. They basically destroyed Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon.

Love the newer sequels, or hate them (for me, it's the latter), it's hard to deny that they're completely different franchises now.

SimonM7

Since 1191 Days

2008-08-30 00:08:59

I absolutely agree that they're different franchises, but I wouldn't say they're bad games. It's unfortunate that they put those names on those games though, and that's starting to become true of more and more games as they inexplicably change focus completely. Fallout, Shadowrun, Mechwaaaaaassault.

I haAAaeeEEEeEyyyted GRAW so I dunno why I'm defending that. It wasn't even Montreal. Hm! :)

But really, there's no denying that I had an ABSOLUTE BLAST already with Rainbow Six 3 co-op on the Xbox, and I thought Vegas was brilliant too. They could've called those games anything for all I care though so yeah.

bleachedsmiles

Since 191 Days

2008-08-30 00:18:30 In reply to GriftGFX (2008-08-29 23:59:27)

Posted by GriftGFX

Okay, not so much real sequel as spiritual successor.. which TH to ED is.. not

No, its basically a game by the same dev team.. ala FC and Crysis.

Also, though its true that they'll always be more negative response to title that are exclusive to one platform..where as multiplatformers will get more praise as theres nothing to be jealous of, i dont think it has all that much to do with it in Crysis's case. As console fanboys rarely even take into consideration the PC as a gaming platform to care enough.. we're too occupied in compairing console versions and matching console exclusives to be jealous about a game that wouldnt look even close to its screen shots on most people's pc's.

I think its mostly because the actual game itself was abit of an anti-climax and didnt live up to its visuals (i do own the game btw). I think its a simular case of how Assassins creed was. Both are still fun to pick up and play, but i think both failed to live up to their promise.

The reason why Farcry 2 is recieving alot of lovin is because it looks so good on all platforms, we're all graphics whores..we're all judging these games here on looks alone as none of us have played them yet... if it will live up to the love we're investing in it now or not remains to be seen. But just cause its multiplatform it doesnt mean people wont ripp into it for the sake of ripping into it...especially if its specific console version they show.

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2008-08-30 01:21:30

No, its basically a game by the same dev team.. ala FC and Crysis.

You're insane if you think that Far Cry and Crysis don't have loads more in common than Too Human and Eternal Darkness. And no, it's not just a case of being in the same genre.

i dont think it has all that much to do with it in Crysis's case. As console fanboys rarely even take into consideration the PC as a gaming platform to care enough

So you don't think that most (note: most, not all) of the anti-Crysis rhetoric you hear comes from gamers that prefer console platforms? I'm pretty certain you're wrong. Most people expected Crysis to fall short in gameplay, and many people think that it actually exceeded those expectations.

we're all graphics whores

No, just most of us. It's not so simple as looks alone. You can gain a lot of perspective from watching Far Cry 2 presentations. It looks good, don't get me wrong, I just don't have extremely high expectations for Ubisoft when it comes to this genre, and I don't believe they've shown anything that's so remarkable that it's bound to change that opinion. I'll have to play it myself ultimately.

szaromir

Since 924 Days

2008-08-30 01:41:34

This video is horribly compressed :|

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prodygee

Since 843 Days

2008-08-30 11:18:18

I really like how he says: "we don't teleport the camera. Ever." This is something which more game developers should consider. It really emerses you into the game. The weapon jamming sounds awesome and so does the healing system, but something I'm bothered with is seeing the same wounds over and over again. But that's something for the future, with unscripted animations and physics-powered animation systems.

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bleachedsmiles

Since 191 Days

2008-08-30 13:21:14 In reply to GriftGFX (2008-08-30 01:21:30)

Posted by GriftGFX

No, its basically a game by the same dev team.. ala FC and Crysis.

You're insane if you think that Far Cry and Crysis don't have loads more in common than Too Human and Eternal Darkness. And no, it's not just a case of being in the same genre.

No, i never said it didnt have anything in common did i? I said you were silly in your statement that Crysis is a sequal to Farcry..and used the example above. If you'd like me to use another example based in the same "genre" then it would be like saying LA Noir is the sequal to GTA4

Isomac

Since 935 Days

2008-08-30 14:53:24 In reply to bleachedsmiles (2008-08-30 13:21:14)

I'll give you a better example: SupCom and Total Annihilation. Would you say SupCom isn't spiritual successor to Total Annihilation? This is the same thing with Crysis and FC.

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bugmenot

Since 584 Days

2008-08-30 16:02:11 In reply to GriftGFX (2008-08-30 01:21:30)

Posted by GriftGFX

Are you not hyped for this game? It looks incredible, both visuals wise and gameplay wise. The more I see of Far Cry 2 the more I am dying to play it! I think it's one of the most ambitious shooter in a long while.

If you don't have high expectations of this because it's Ubisoft, I think that's where you're going wrong. If you're not impressed by the videos... well then maybe this isn't your kind of game.

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2008-08-30 17:32:01 In reply to bugmenot (2008-08-30 16:02:11)

Posted by Isomac

I'll give you a better example: SupCom and Total Annihilation. Would you say SupCom isn't spiritual successor to Total Annihilation? This is the same thing with Crysis and FC.

Exactly. Silly.

Posted by bugmenot

Not particularly hyped.. but I'm not uninterested either. This is exactly my type of game. There are two things that could make this game stand out: a compelling campaign and impressive AI, neither which we've really seen put to the test. Immersion is great, but as a gameplay experience it will only take you so far.

The game is impressive, but it needs to be fun too. I'm not saying it won't be, I'm just approaching with more caution than the pack, it seems. "Oooh! FIRE!"--that's not going to do it for me.

And if anything, I stand to be wowed more than most, since I don't particularly think Ubisoft is the most capable FPS developer. Rainbow and Ghost Recon have both fallen quite far. Vegas is a pretty capable game (just not very.. Rainbow) though, and I love their Splinter Cell games, so maybe Montreal has what it takes.

catfish

Since 981 Days

2008-08-30 23:32:37

somewhat interested in this...

also, crysis is easily one of the best fps games Ive ever played.......its in no way mediocre...its better than any console fps single player game Ive played...

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